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Christendom’s legacy

My brothers,

Let us reflect upon the history of Western civilization and its spiritual partner which allowed it to progress even through the hardest of times.

The question now stands, would Western civilization be the same if Christianity never existed? And, perhaps a better question is: would it be worse? Or, more controversially, would it be better?

Vatican approved changes on "“Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

For the official French Catholic bible approved by the Vatican.

In french, we were used to say this famous phrase in the same way that it's done in English : "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

However, in the new 2013 Vatican approved french bible, it was changed to (rough translation) : "Don't let us enter in temptation, but deliver us from evil."

They explained this change by saying that it was more logical, since God can't be the author of evil and that he can't create evil. And so, they fought that it was correct to imply that God could lead people toward temptations, toward evil, when he obviously can't do evil.

So they changed it so that we ask him to not let us enter in temptation, meaning that the source of temptation comes from the outside, from Satan and his evil followers. And so God can't lead us toward temptation, but he can help us to not enter (be tempted) in temptation/sin if we ask for his help.

Anyway, I did this thread to ask you: What do you think of this change in the official french Vatican bible ? Would you see the change occur un your English Catholic bibles too ?

How Much of Christianity's Traditions originates in Pagan and Non-Abrahamic Practice?

Hello friends. I am a British-Taiwanese agnostic autistic. However I have a deep fascination with history and the evolution of religions. I recently learned about the concepts syncretism and inculturation, and am wondering if any of you could help me identify concepts, beliefs or traditions in Christianity that have their origins outside of Christianity? Also are there any instances of a particular sect that has been so greatly influenced by non-Abrahamic faiths that some have questioned whether or not it is truly Christian?


Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

'If your god discredits the humanity of a group of people there is a problem with your god'

Is anyone else shocked with how quickly these people managed to infest and subvert Christianity? Shit like this was absolutely unthinkable 20 years ago

Orthodox General


This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Do you believe in Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood? Why or why not?

Silly question but how should a Christian man present himself?

Every time I masturbate and watch porn...

I feel that I'm torturing my soul and my body and that I'm becoming literally soulless…

And I know how both of them are so evil from experience and amateur internet "research".

I know this is evil for more than 10 years, and yet, I CAN'T STOP.

Does Satan got me for good here ? Am I a slave of sexual sin for ever ?

PS: nonpracticing Catholic here.

Simple philosophical question: What’s the point of Christian life in this world if it’s really all about the next world?

Judaism as you know is all about this world. Buddhism too is about the here and now.

Pascal's wager

What is your opinion on Pascal's Wager and the inability to believe?

Will we see animals friends in heaven?

Violent Video Games in Christianity

Is it alright for us Christians to play violent video games? I don't want to hurt anyone in real-life, i see violent video games as only a bit of fun. (pic related I've spent a good amount of my free time in this game)

Purity Thread/NoFap

27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Corinthians 6:19

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Galatians 6:8

Post your Purity successes/woes/prayer requests/ etc.

Meme thread

New meme thread because the old one is autosaging, starting with a request: I need the exploitable 8ch logo, have this crop in return

In your opinion

Is contraception the root of the current state of moral depravity? Should a righteous government ban it?

Fiction/pop culture that led you back to Christ.

This might sound silly but is there anything non-religous that brought you back to Christ?

For me it was Solair. Even though he isn't Christian and there's a very high chance that he falls later in-game, there's just something about him that inspired me. His way of being a guiding light in the darkness that surrounds him. It showed me a small taste of how beautiful faith can be.

Did you ever experience something like this? Please note, this is not a rec thread on Christian fiction like Lewis or Tolkien. Just a personal thing that brought you close(r) to faith.

Ecumenism/Schism: GOC, Sedevacantists, etc.

For those in apostolic faiths, what are your thoughts about "schismatic" groups that break away in opposition to ecumenism or other "modernist heresies"? I'm not employing the scare quotes in a mocking fashion, as some people here might belong to such groups and their perspective is also welcome.

I realize that there's a good deal of difference between GOC and Sedevacantists in terms of why they separated from other bodies (and you couldn't really compare either to other groups like Russian Old Believers), but they seem to be rough equivalents in each communion. Essentially, they believe that the "mainline" hierarchs have sacrificed the One True Faith for the sake of ecumenism or modernism. They believe that they alone have maintained the true faith. While they may not believe explicitly that members in other churches are going to hell, they do believe they are in grave error.

I think these groups are of special interest to anons on /christian/, mostly because they seem to offer a bastion against modernism that many believe has infiltrated their own communions.


So, with New York joining California, Arizona, West Virginia, Mississippi, and Maine in eliminating the religious exemption for vaccinations, it raises the question:

Are vaccines immoral?

Memorizing Prayers

i suck at constructing sentences and most of the time i dont know what to say, i feel like my prayer is shallow and short, then i started looking up on what if we write it first or memorize the prayer on the OSB, i also looked up online and found other written prayers but people are saying it's not good and not sincere (that it's not actually from you) etc.

what do you guys think about this? i have been raised a prot all my life so memorizing prayer that is not on the bible is not a thing and i feel weird about it

Early proof of the Trinity

What is the earliest proof that orthodox Christianity believed in the Trinity? I'm not a Unitarian, but I'd like to be able to defend the doctrine against Bart Ehrman, Muslims, etc.

Christian view on climate change?

Thoughts on climate change/global warming? (pic unrelated)


>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

"Orthodox Nationalist"

Hi brothers. I want your take on this podcast by Matthew Raphael Johnson. As a catholic, I listened for some time even though I considered the approach to be a bit larpy at some times.

Last few weeks I could not have wrapped my mind around him saying Notre Dame cathedral is just "middle class bourgeois attraction" and likened it to "cremation of the corpse" because nobody "knows the symbolism" etc.

Like..does the guy not realize that the building itself has a great value in its beauty and it can be a nucleus of resurrection of French people? The last thing I would expect from the guy is to liken it to "cremation of a corpse".

Truly disgusting. I no longer listen regularly but I was a bit shocked by such an introduction. He said he would expand upon it on "daily nationalist" but I do not think he ever did and I no longer listen to that anyway.

If you want to listen for yourself here

It is on the beginning of the episode, the very first few minutes.

What is your take on this guy?

Christian Game Reviews: Thoughts on Johanka's ending (Kingdom Come: Deliverance DLC)?

If you've played through this DLC in which Johanka's story focuses on something of Catholic or Christian significance, spoilers alert:

She receives visions from Mary that happen to be true but ends up being trialed by the inquisition in which the outcome can result in her being lashed and complying with agreeing to never preach again, in which a miracle happens and somebody is healed by Mary.

The other is sentencing to death by the inquisitor.

What are your thoughts on the storyline and do you think it was overtly biased against the church in any ways? If so then how etc?

Should I convert to Catholicism?

My friend invited me to mass Yesterday and I was blown away. I felt some spiritual and exalting about it that I can simply not feel in any Protestant Church that I’ve attended growing up. And I’ve always been fascinated by the traditions, history and culture behind Catholicism.

What do you say /Christian/? Should I do it?

Joining the Church

I'm not gonna specify which unless it's absolutely necessary in order to avoid a garbage throwing festival and a derailing of the thread but, for some years now I've been learning best I can and searched for the Church of Christ, for almost a year now I think I have found it.

I've been practicing the faith in privacy best I can with daily consistency while continuing to learn theology from various sources and keeping to reading the Bible at least for an hour or two every 2 days.

I have been also dealing with anxiety and such for… ages now, I want to join the Church proper, I have already been baptised at a young age (in an entirely different denomination but still) so I would now need confirmation and I should be receiving my first Holy Communion at least, but I just don't want to deal with people.

I would also have to travel a few cities to the Church without a car (so probably take the bus or something) and I barely have any free time during the week to begin with even if I was able to muster the strength to go out there, just fitting in the Bible readings, the studying of theology and multiple daily prayers when I really got invested for the first time was almost almost impossible at first as is.

What do?

Has the subject about gays been misinterpreted in the bible?

Can we try and explore the multiple books and translations and interpretations and ideas of bibles. the only reason why I wanted to is because of these tweets, is any of this true at all or not? I don't study the bible at all and don't know whats okay or not, I just want non bias information and a discussion

here is the link they also provide source for their information, it's also not to direct hate so don't directly speak to them,

>life is a gift to be cherished and to throw it away is a sin

>the very world will hate you and you are cursed since birth with sin

Which is it? Is this some sick joke at our expense? Why did God put us here without being able to tell anything for certain? To test out faith!? Oh, shove what garbage up your ass where it belongs. God created this universe every variable is known to him no matter how small, he knows what we will choose with our free will. He knew I would be sniveling scared worm writhing on the ground in misery over fear. The intelectual arguments for God's existence are very persuasive I agree and I don't doubt SOMETHING created this universe but I can't believe what something good could create this joke of the world where everything wants to live but withers away and disappears

I would do anything to get a miracle of certainty and know something for certain. As I am now I would butcher people for 20 years just so I could know the truth for certain without a shred of doubt

Am I a Christian?

I come from a muslim family. My mother is german, and my father is turkish. They are both muslim, because my mother converted. They both believe in Islam, and don't like christianity (They think it's wrong, and that christians are having sinfull lifes).

I believe that christianity is true. But my family wouldn't accept me beeing a christian (And my mother wants me to be just like she wants me to be. She gets angry when I don't even do something wrong, and blames me for a lot of stuff. But 80% of the time she is nice and loves me)

Because of that, I have to wait till I can move out. Only then, I can convert. But I found out, that I was baptized in the Catholic Church when I was a baby. My Grandfather wanted that I am baptized.

So I wanted to ask, if I count as a Christian already, when I was baptized as baby?

"Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two or three heads like a monster."

Atheists Go To Heaven

Atheists go to Heaven. They are greeted by all of the Saints and by God Himself. They spend eternity surrounded by the eternal bliss that comes only from the limitless goodness and pleasure of God.

Throughout their lives, they wandered through having not seen God. Having not heard Him. Having not felt Him, smelt Him, or tasted Him. Rather, they see Him – they hear and feel and smell and taste Him – but they do not perceive Him. They don’t recognize Him. They ignore Him.

This alone – this invincible ignorance – is not enough to keep God from them. No; they go to Heaven. They arrive among the multitudes of faithful Christians, bathed in light. And yet, they enter Heaven in the manner they wandered through life. Blind. Deaf. Mute. Purposeless. They enter without concept of touch, smell, or taste. Of anything. Because Heaven consists of nothing but God, and they have trained themselves to be ignorant of Him. While they might perceive the physical, it is no longer there for them to latch onto.

The atheist enters Heaven, their experience isn’t that of the Saints. The Saints may speak to them, or embrace them, or nourish them, but the atheist is alone in the personal void of his mind. He hears no words of consolation. He sits in silent contemplation of the infinite world of nothing surrounded by splendor he cannot see, eternally beckoning and trying to reach him. A God who refuses to give up on him.

The lips of his spirit resound with the single satisfaction, single horror, and single falsehood of his existence for all eternity: “I was right. I knew I was right.”

Prayer Requests

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

Unsaved default to Hell?

I went to church yesterday with family. I don't know much about christianity but I had always heard jesus told people to love each other and be nice, didn't know much past that. They were not aggressive about it but when they found out i didn't go to any church or know much about it they started telling me i needed to be "saved" so I can go to heaven. I asked them if I would go to hell if I died now and they were basically saying "probably". I asked them why I needed to be saved and if jesus was so nice why he would send me to burn in hell. they said: "He is not sending you to hell it's just where you go and he can's save you if you don't believe in him." I asked them if jesus was all powerful after that and they said "yes"

How common is this belief and why don't you hear prominent christians talk about hell ever if they think we need to be saved or suffer forever as our default position?

Infinity Cup Update

A reminder that the preview stream for the 2019 Summer Infinity Cup is this Saturday, 3PM Eastern 7 PM UTC live on Entries will open up at the conclusion of the stream, and valid entries of a team name, logo, kits, and roster will be accepted up to July 20th.


So... I decided to join the military.

To start, I'm Catholic, and I had always had the utmost respect for the military probably secondary only to clergymen But I had always ruled out military service not necessarily because I couldn't take it or didn't think about it from a patriotic/service stand point, but because I felt that the act of violence would be unjustified. Conversely, I have always looked up to the physical and mental discipline both the monastic life and military service require.

However, recently after reading through the Scriptures, Church documents, Catholic Encyclopedia's stance on things like patriotism/nationalism (that being that it is honorable to take pride in and to serve whatever country you belong to), St Augustine and St Thomas' stance on just war, as well as reading a substantial amount of material related to war both positive (Jerusalem Conquered, 33 Strategies of War, The Big Stick, Starship Troopers, etc.) and negative (All Quiet on the Western Front, The Things They Carried, The Forever War, etc) I came to the conclusion that outside of Priestly/Monastic life, this sort of self sacrifice is the best way I can serve my fellow countrymen outside of evangelism and charity Mind you I'm fully aware of the morally gray motivations for this conflict, but the way I see it ISIS and groups like them seek nothing less than the complete eradication of Christianity and western society in general, so I the way I see it I feel obligated both as an American and as a man of God to fight, if not for myself than for all other Christians in the world (especially after the stream of attacks carried out across the globe).True love is to lay down one's life for thy friends after all. It's something I feel called to do.

At the same time, I'm also in the process of becoming a Benedictine Oblate, and intend to pursue my faith continually and devoutly before, during, and after my term of service (however long that may be, I'm not sure atm). I fully intend on living my faith out to the fullest extent I can. My Mother needs some convincing on me entering a combat position since she's afraid of me getting PTSD and/or injured, but both of my parents say they would support me in joining at the very least, I was torn between the Army and the Marines, but I'm going into the Marines since that's what my Grandfather said he would join if he had been drafted but WWII ended before that happened. Currently working out so I can pass the physical exam next year. I have one more year of college before I get my B.A. in finance, and with that I can enter an officer position from the get-go.

I'm not really posting this to get advice as I'd been contemplating this for years, but more so just to start a conversation. I've been here on and off for several years, and I know war is a touchy and divisive topic here, and with my situation and views outlined I'm curious as to what other Christians think.

Relationship general

Post your successes/troubles.

The responsibility is yours. Since you're the man you are the driving force behind starting a relationship. It is your job to do the first move as it is to lead all other moves.

Women seek stability. A woman is like a flower that grows towards God. A man is more like a stick. He can direct the married couple towards God. If both of them are flowers, then they stay in mud.

>Be yourself

Be confident about who you are. It will give you a special aura around yourself

>Work on your confidence

Start at nofap thread, eliminate porn and masturbation from your life. Increase your testosterone levels by working out…./fit/

>Get hobbies

If you lack interests, you are less interesting to women. Women want men of action.

>Visit places where high quality women hang out

Church, library, your hobbies…

>Become more educated about your faith

If you want a good Christian girl you should study scriptures. If she takes her faith seriously she will probably be impressed.

Your future wife probably will not just appear out of nothing and ask you out. It is your job when she appears all of sudden to be confident enough to ask her out and handle that situation.

Purity thread:

If any of you guys have some useful meta, please post it so we can include it in the future to the OP.

(Question) Happiness and Christianity

German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche is quoted by saying:

>Christianity is called the religion of pity.—Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. Through pity that drain upon strength which suffering works is multiplied a thousandfold. Suffering is made contagious by pity; under certain circumstances it may lead to a total sacrifice of life and living energy—a loss out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (—the case of the death of the Nazarene).

However, Paul says in 2 Corinthians 12:10-11

> 10. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

> 11. I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

But in all honesty, I have a hard time trying to be happy. Just last week, I got straight As on all my grades; not only that but I possibly have a 4.0 GPA. The problem is I don't know who deserves the credit: me who has worked so hard on them, or God, to whom I prayed for help. It's like the "thanking God but not the doctor" scenario. Tell me brethren, is it wrong to take pride in your accomplishments or be confident in yourself?

I never made my confirmation

Hi, friends. I wish to ask of something that has been bothering me for a long time. I am Scottish and was born to a family which had Catholicism on my mother’s side (as a result of Irish roots) whereas my father’s side was Protestant/Agnostic. I was baptised as a Catholic and also made my first Holy Communion and I was very interested in the word of God as a child. However, at around 10, I became disillusioned with Catholicism and became agnostic. I refused to partake in my confirmation.

For the past few years, I have grown to respect Catholicism again and have partaken in many Catholic activities. I did not make my confirmation though as a result of my aforementioned rebelliousness (which I regret immensely).

I feel as though I’m in the purgatory of Catholicism. I’m sort of Catholic but not really. I’m like a discarded Catholic who never passed the final quality assurance test.

Basically, is it over for me and have I ruined it all for myself? Would I have to go through an adult conversion programme to realise and become a full and proper member of the Roman Catholic Church?

Thank you.

Any tips on finding a non-cucked Church?

Explain this, Eastern Orthodox.

Eastern Orthodoxy ALLOWS female deacons(!) This is ridiculous. All the Holy Orders should be for men only - the deaconesses in the early Church were not sacramental deacons. How can you allow this? You know the Ameridox will use this in the argument for female ordination.

In fact, American Orthodoxy is like how mainline Protestantism was ~20 years ago, before they went totally crazy. They oppose the death penalty and some have made the argument that women should be priests, I've even seen someone claim that adelphopoiesis means that homosexual marriage should be allowed.

And, sadly, like pretty much every other denomination (and, religion in general) you have bent on the issue of divorce and contraception.

Just because Boomers haven't subverted your mass, don't think you are safe…

> in 2033, it would make exactly 2000 years that the Lord was crucified

What…What is going to happen in 2033 gu…guys ?


I need to get something off my chest. Someone recommended I do Catholic confession. There's a Catholic church up the street from my apartment, am I allowed to just walk in and ask for a confession? Do I have to convert to Catholicism first? Sorry I am new to all this, I haven't set foot in a church in like 20 years. Jesus came into my life recently… I think. I don't have a denomination but I pray a little bit and I hung a cross in my rear view mirror.

How the winnie the pooh do I pray?

cleanliness is next to godliness.

Remember /christian/. Feminists, leftists, Hindus and atheists reject good personal hygiene. Good Christian is a clean christian.

cleanliness is next to godliness

Confess or not confess?

>Be me

>Live in a house with a female tenant [Strike 1]

>Start to feel lust for her even though she has a bf and continually proves she's a whore [Strike 2]

>She has a bedroom window adjacent to the bathroom

>On rare occasions, I can see through the window as she doesn't pull the shades down all the way

>Seen things I shouldn't have and pleasured myself too [Strike 3]

I've confessed these sins to God but my mind is still scarred with memories and she doesn't know. What do bros?

>Inb4 move out

Yeah, I get that, but time is restricted and I hope to find work first. But should I apologize to her? If she calls me a creep that is understandable, but what if she pries and attempts to entice me or blackmail me? Is it worth it?

Catholic General


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Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

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Venerable Fulton J Sheen thread

A thread dedicated to works of Fulton John Sheen, and his highly relevant and actual sermons and snippets, slamming the superficial rubbish of the modern world and it's society in a clear, concise and logical manner.

Why are there no Catholic street preachers?

Debunking Evolution

Greetings, brothers, and sisters in Christ. I was wondering if we could have a general thread for debunking evolution. I'm still not completely sold on it just yet.


Hey, Im planning on starting RCIA in September.

But I have some issues with Christianity that I hope you people can help me with.I love Christianity, but some of this stuff is hard to believe, and has made me questions a lot of things. Im currently reading the Bible for the first time, still in OT so some of these questions might be answered already in other verses. Also note, I was not raised with any religion and it has never been on my mind before, so some of these questions might be really stupid or basic.

Why did Jesus preach to the Jews only basically? I mean, he was a Jew, went to Synagogues, the whole lost sheep of Israel thing, "for salvation is from the Jews (John 4:22), "The jew first, then to the gentile´ (Romans 1:6).

Afaik, it was Paul that made Christianity open to the non jews, I understand that scripture is inspired from God, but from a cynic point of view did Paul make Christianity a non jews only faith? So I guess my question is, was Jesus really for everyone? If so, why did he not really seem to do that with his action?

Kinda a follow up question, can someone explain the whole Jews are Gods chosen people, and the whole Jew-Christian relationship in the Bible. I understand Abraham and all, but Jews seem really to be "better" than gentiles in the Bible. There are Christians who basically worship Jews and Israel, is there any truth to this? Why is Israel so loved by them?

Not in the political sense, but from a Christianity perspective.

Might be a stupid question, but I once heard a Atheist say this: There are millions of Gods out there, what makes your right? And how is believe any different from a imaginary friend? or a delusion?

I was not sure how to answer this, so any help with that would be a blessing.

If God knows everything, and everything acts according to his will, is not fate a thing then? If everything is pre determent, what does prayer do? I don't think prayer can change Gods mind, so whats the point of prayer? If God wants us to talk to him, but he knows everything, then he knows how we are doing and what we need and how our day was and so on.

Also, what am I suppose picture in my head when I pray? Or, what am I suppose do with my mind when I pray?

Why did God create anything? If God is perfect, why create unperfect things? If he did it because he wanted our love, does not that mean God is lacking something that he can get from us? Would not that mean hes not perfect?

Any help or insight into these questions is very much appreciated, and thank you in advance!